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Post subject: Re: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:
skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ
Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?
I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.
The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.
Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:
1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.
2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.
3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.
4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.
All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.
Champion Troll wrote:
In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?
Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.
You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.
Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .
You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .
Bmz wrote:
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing
ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .
Will address any relevant point in the miserable soul's post later, if I really see anything worth replying. That will save me time.
Regarding the FFI 3rd grade goon skynightblaze's comment,
Quote:
He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.
, I would like to say this:
Ixolite and you are fine with me now. I do write on her site. We did have clashes but nothing dirty and crude, the sort skynightblaze does.
The man is full of oral/verbal diarrhoea. Everyone knows that.
I have not insulted Debunker heavily. In fact sometimes Debunker screws the FFI goons very nicely and I admire that.
The rest of the lot and many others deserve only insults in return. They should know that very well.
Khalil was shown how to be civil and he did oblige. The rest of the above-named bunch do not deserve any respect at all. They rightfully deserve insults and scorn, except that skynightblaze needs more.
If skynightblaze knows and speaks Hindi (I am sure he does), tell him to read this and he will realise and understand:
Quote:
Kuttay ki dum ko hazaar saal tube main band rakho, nikalo aur dekho kay dum tayrhi ki tayhri
It means, "If you put a dog's tail in a straight tube for a thousand years and then take it out, it will still be crooked, never straight.
No room or way to straighten. lol!
skynightblaze is beyond redemption like other FFI goons.
BMZ
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Sun 07 Jun, 2009 6:40 pm
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Post subject:
Hi Aksel,
Thank you for pointing out the following at FFI:
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Re: Zihar - Islam's less talked about way of divorce
Postby Aksel Ankersen ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:37 am
The Koran says not to do Zihar:
"Those among you who estrange their wives (by declaring them as forbidden in sex) as their mothers know full well that they are not their mothers. Their mothers are the women who gave birth to them. Indeed, they are committing a blasphemy and a falsehood. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver."
In those days, during the infancy of Islam, the pagan Arabs used Zihar as an excuse to get rid of their wives, when they wanted to.
Zihar was not any Islamic practice or custom. That is how those folks and the members of the new faith Islam, were educated by Qur'aan.
Appreciate your fine comment.
BMZ
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Mon 08 Jun, 2009 2:58 pm
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Post subject: Finally, the truth about FFI, coming from FinallyFree
Hi, all
This is a good post, which was long over due and finally came from FinallyFree and I enjoyed reading that. Please read all the silly responses.
There are no posters of class and the arrival of a later lot of other FFI goons, has begun to show how fed up and disappointed, people are.
A comment from skynightblaze, one of top leading junk writers of FFI:
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Mods banned him for trolling. I actually want him back but mods wont allow him. Believe me it would be his nightmare if he is allowed back.
skynightblaze,
You can always come and write here in this topic only and your posts, which are usually full of junk and stuff, will not be deleted. Tell the mods to remove the ban and I will come and do you there. Why is FFI so scared? All of you can hound me. No problem.
Really, the insanity of this person knows no bounds.
BMZ
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Tue 09 Jun, 2009 7:09 pm
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Post subject: Khali Fariel's post on FFI
Khalil opens this silly topic again assuming THHuxley is a genius and quotes:
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Just felt like posting this from our honourable member THHuxley:
According to THHuxley, Muhammad is truly a demigod of Muslims. He states it blatantly here:
THHuxley wrote:Muhammad is your version of the Christian Jesus. They call him the ?????????????????????¢??word?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? and you call Muhammad the ?????????????????????¢??light.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? They have a trinity, you have a duality.
This is from his discussion on the subject Do Muslims worship Muhammad?
First, who cares who THHuxley is, who knows who THHuxley is and who THHuxley is to make such silly and stupid statements.
Khalil, who pretends to be an ex-Muslim, a closet-apostate like Ali Sina,
should tell everyone first if he and his "Muslim" family and friends, ever believed if Muhammad was a partner of God. Rofl.
If Khalil confirms that he, his parents, his family and relatives, associated Muhammad as a partner with God, then surely it bursts his own bubble of ever being a Muslim. It would clearly indicate that he was never a Muslim. lol!
Ahmed,
Can you ask Khalil this question? Khalil does not realise what a pickle is he in?
The entire world knows that Muslims hate and abhor associating anyone to Allah. "La sharika lahu" is the slogan of Islam.
I am really amazed to see FFI lead goons writing such silly posts.
BMZ
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Tue 09 Jun, 2009 7:37 pm
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Post subject:
Hello, Aksel
I refer to the topic "Devout Muslims left Islam" on FFI and to the exchange between Khalil and your goodself.
KhaliL FarieL wrote:
But some accusation can be true, and Allah eulogizing Muhammad along with his angels does not make sense. And if necessary, it can be argued Allah and angels are praying to Muhammad too. Any doubt?
I will quote Quran to define Quran. It is the best way since Quran explains Quran better:
And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, lordly, chaste, a Prophet of the righteous.[Quran: 3:39]
See the bolded part, it reads as ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? = Praying. It was prophet Zachariah praying in Quran, so we see the singular ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.
The same term but since it is Allah and angels are involved, we see its plural form, instead of ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? singular, it is ?????????????????????¢??Yusalloona?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? in Quran 33:43:
Indeed, Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.[Quran 33:56]
I have bolded the term in both verses. There is not much difference a non-Arabic speaker can see.
What makes it here showering blessings on the prophet instead of praying? Zachariah was praying as he was ?????????????????????¢??yusallee?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. But Allah is not even though he too ?????????????????????¢??Yusalloon?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.
Swalla = is used to denote prayer in Quran. I can show you verses pertaining to it.
أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يَنْهَى عَبْدًا إِذَا صَلَّى
Hast thou seen him who dissuades, A slave when he prays? [Quran 96:9-10]
For he neither trusted, nor prayed. But he denied and flouted.[Quran 75:31-32]
Allah indeed made Muhammad a demigod, and I have debated on this matter many times in this forum. Muhammad has been given a godly attribute in Quran which Rashad Khalifa felt like blasphemous and scrapped from his Quran. He paid his life for it.
Aksel Ankersen wrote:
I didn't respond to Khalil's post, because I didn't see anything in it that hadn't already been covered in the topic. There is no explanation why, if Salla exclusively means pray, that Allah yusalloona upon his believers.
الذين اذا اصابتهم مصيبة قالوا انا لله وانا اليه راجعون
اولئك عليهم صلوات من ربهم ورحمة واولئك هم المهتدون
who, when they are visited by an affliction, say, 'Surely we belong to God, and to Him we return';
upon those rest blessings (3layhum salawat) and mercy from their Lord, and those -- they are the truly guided
al-Baqara 157
Sir, my advice to you is to drop this subject of Allah praying either to or for Muhammad, because it contradicts the doctrine of the Koran in many other places and is logically untenable.
Rather like Luxemberg and his "white raisins".
I just wish to point out that Khalil's underlining, to make up his points regarding the words in Arabic, is just not correct. Underlining done by Khalil does not prove anything and he is wrong.
For example, Khalil underlined just one word in وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي, which is ridiculous. In order to see what was going on, we need to underline two words وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي to show that he was standing in prayers and was not sending blessings.
Again, Khlail underlines just one word in يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ but does not know that the words to be underlined are يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ as the word عَلَى will denote "upon" or "on". There is no praying to in this.
By his own admission, he quotes إِذَا صَلَّى and knows well that it means, "When he prays" and goes on to add وَلَا صَلَّى that these two words on their own are clearly talking about the man praying or not.
You have rightly given the right reference by pointing out the verse and I quote part of it: اولئك عليهم صلوات من ربهم ورحمة واولئك هم المهتدون
and this shows that they shall have blessings from their LORD.
Allah is not praying a lot to them. lol!
Thank you very much for explaining and arguing with people who claim to be ex-Muslims and yet understand zilsch/nothing.
BMZ
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Tue 09 Jun, 2009 8:23 pm
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Post subject: A PYSHO-ANALYSIS OF FFI'S KHALIL FARIEL
Postby AhmedBahgat ????????????????????????????» Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:48 pm
KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Blah blah
I hope I made it clear.
Regards
KF
where you edited and removed Khalil's incoherent comments, replaced all the junk and stuff with "Blah blah" and dismissed him rightly with the Dismissal image.
I have been following and monitoring Khalil's posts for a long time, when he wrote under the nick Haji Murad and Haik Monsieur and I have always considered him a Christian evangelist in disguise. He is definitely not an ex-Muslim and I can bet Sam Shamoun's arse on that. lol! I am dead serious on this, mate!
His reply to you is really a very silly reply and it affirms and confirms that the suspect has never been a Muslim at all. First, look at his reply to you:
KhaliL Fariel wrote:
Dear Ahmed,
You brought this argument earlier too which I overlooked at that time. Now I will deal with it.
This is a very good argument but unfortunte for you, will get refuted easily. Focus on the verses below: I bring Arabic too for you to grasp easily:
Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators![Quran: 23:14]
Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the best of Creators,[Quran: 37:125]
I hope you should have noticed the bolded part in Arabic and translation. What does it tell you?
Are there creators beside Allah for him to talk ?????????????????????¢??He is the best of creators??????????????????????¢??????????????????????
It can not be so. Especially see the verse 37:125. Very scary for a Muslim like you because of its structure;
So, it can be somewhat idiomatic? Or allegorical? Whatever, Allah is only mentioning himself as best among the creators means he is perfect. He can not be indicating creators besides him. Can he?
So is the verse Allah describing himself as ?????????????????????¢??Arhamu Al-Rahimeen = Merciful of the all merciful ones?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? This verse can not be produced to counter my argument ?????????????????????¢??Muhammad is assigned Allah?????????????????????¢??s essential, exclusive attribute ?????????????????????¢??Raheem?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. If Allah has used the exact term ?????????????????????¢??Raheem?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? in Quran to denote any others too, I will concur but this ?????????????????????¢??Raheem among the ?????????????????????¢??Rahimeen?????????????????????¢?? should be dealt as ?????????????????????¢??Ahsan among the Khaliqeen?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.
I hope I made it clear.
Regards
KF
Now look at what he wrote within above: "Are there creators beside Allah for him to talk ?????????????????????¢??He is the best of creators?""
Of course, there are men who also created many things, but they could not create what God created.
Even the most ordinary and dumb uneducated Muslim knows Allah's attributes and what they mean, while Khalil, being an "ex-Muslim" appears not to understand the attributes. Who could enter into such idiotic polemics but some one other than a Muslim?
Note, how he writes this: "Arhamu Al-Rahimeen". No Muslim writes that way and only goons like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Apple_Pie, Peace_Train and other evangelical goons write that way.
As a Muslim, even you and I will never write and spell that way. We would write, "Arhamur-Rahimeen". I am sorry to say that Khalil is a fraud, a fake pretending to be an ex-Muslim.
Coming to creators beside Allah and that Allah is the Best Creator,
what he does not understand and does not know is that Baal (Ask him to read Judges 2) created an idol, a god for the Israelis and many others created idols for people all over the world. That is why the Surah was referring to Baal. Khalil just picked up one verse, without even understanding the context.
Humans even created gods. Look at the Hindus! They created myths and unbelieveable gods like Rama, Krishna, Kalimata, Shiv, Vishnu, etc and the Christian bishops, under the pointed spears of Constantine's soldiers, created Jesus to be God. Christians even created a third god known as the "Holy Spirit", which the Jews never had at all, as God.
But all those created by men were no match. Jesus was no creator, Baal was no creator and so on.
So, Allah declares to be the Most Excellent Creator or the Best Creator, who has in fact created the Universe, mankind and the entire creations.
Any simple Muslim knows and understands that. And here you have a polemic Khalil, who just quotes a verse and appends a silly polemic comment.
If you like, you can post this at FFI. My main point is that Khalil's polemics expose him and the guy has never been a Muslim. Khalil is a confirmed fake. If you like, I can bet Robert Spencer's arse also.
Salaams
BMZ
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Wed 10 Jun, 2009 4:43 pm
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Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed
Your response to Khalil's silly post at FFI:
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Hello Khalil
We are not discussing the english word 'Pray', we are discussing the Arabic word "Salla"
Now, I don't need to refute your opening post, you have that silly habit of repeating your crap, and I say, it is if a Muslim like me and a Kafir like Aksel refuted you, then you must be the one who is wrong.
Cheers
Thanks for the excellent dismissal. I will do a write up on the good-for-nothing, confused and polemic minds of FFI later, when I have more time.
You can ignore the crazy rantings, ravings, the oral diarrhoea and the craps of skynightblaze, who does not know anything. skynightblaze is just an FFI minion.
Salaams
BMZ
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Thu 11 Jun, 2009 1:15 pm
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Post subject: It is getting hilarious on FFI
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.
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Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!
Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel
I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article
Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.
Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.
Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.
One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.
I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!
BMZ
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Sat 13 Jun, 2009 4:17 pm
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Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
BMZ wrote:
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.
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Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!
Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel
I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article
Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.
Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.
Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.
One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.
I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!
BMZ
Exactly bro
The mpost important point which is totally ignred by such stubborn goon and his likes, is simply, the word AQIM before the word Salat, i.e. ESTABLISH the pryaer, or STAND UP for the prayer, the word SALAT alone does not really mean to ESTABLISH the prayer, we need the word AQIM, or IQIAMAH, or QUM, before it, to mean ESTABLISHING the physical prayer
You know man, I am sick and tired of their stubborness, these people don't deserve knowledgeable Muslims to educate them, simply they do not want to be educated because all they care about is their deceitful agenda
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Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.
Quote:
Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!
Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel
I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article
Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.
Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.
Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.
One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.
I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!
BMZ
Exactly bro
The most important point which is totally ignred by such stubborn goon and his likes, is simply, the word AQIM before the word Salat, i.e. ESTABLISH the pryaer, or STAND UP for the prayer, the word SALAT alone does not really mean to ESTABLISH the prayer, we need the word AQIM, or IQIAMAH, or QUM, before it, to mean ESTABLISHING the physical prayer
You know man, I am sick and tired of their stubborness, these people don't deserve knowledgeable Muslims to educate them, simply they do not want to be educated because all they care about is their deceitful agenda
Salam
Agreed, mate.
You are absolutely right. They are not there to learn. They are just carrying out their deceitful propaganda. I do not write to educate them but I do it to let the silent international readers know and also to ridicule and expose the evangelist-supported FFI goons and freaks.
Thanks, mate. Keep an eye on the topic. Some goons may turn up and it would be nice to skin the mules.
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Sat 13 Jun, 2009 5:49 pm
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Post subject: This is really strange
Something is really wrong with the frame of mind of the so-called ex-Muslims, the goons and freaks who can write gibberish passages full of junk and stuff, when they cannot understand a simple verse.
But if you ask these goons a simple question, they cannot understand and write more gibberish, which has nothing to do with the question.
BMZ
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Post subject: JUST FOR THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR READERS
Some polemicists like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer and other freaks raise silly questions and this one of them:
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Can you answer this for me.
Qur?????????????????????¢??an 18:9, makes into real history, the second century myth of youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian, but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim. My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written, are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not, would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?
IF YOU TELL ME ITS A LIE HERE IS ALL THE REFERENCES.ALL THE QURANS SAID THEY SLEPT FOR 300 + 9 YEARS THE QURAN MUST HAVE BEEN WRITEN AFTER THEY WOKE UP TO PROOF ITS AUTHENTICNESS THEN MUHAMMAD MUST HAVE BEN ALSO LIVED 300 +9 YEARS BECAUSE HE MUST HAVE WITNESSED IT TRUE OR FALSE
YUSUF ALI
Al-Kahf [18:9] Or dost thou reflect that the Companions of the cave and of the Inscription were wonders among Our Signs?
Al-Kahf [18:10] Behold, the youths betook themselves to the cave: they said "Our Lord! Bestow on us Mercy from Thyself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way!
Al-Kahf [18:11] Then We drew (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the cave, (so that they heard not):
Al-Kahf [18:16] "When ye turn away from them and the things they worship other than Allah betake yourselves to the cave: your Lord will shower His mercies on you and dispose of your affair towards comfort and ease."
Al-Kahf [18:17] Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left while they lay in the open space in the midst of the cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah: he whom Allah guides; but he whom Allah leaves to stray for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.
Al-Kahf [18:25] So they stayed in their cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more).
OR IS THIS ALSO A MISCONCEPTION.
Such freaks have to be reminded with this:
Yes, the above concluded by you IS indeed a misconception.
See how you started by cherry-picking a few verses, like you do with the Bible and omitted the most important concluding verse , which gives the key message in that section.
18:26:
Say: "(Allah) knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.
Notice that in 18:25, Allah does not confirm that they stayed 300 years because SOME added another 9 years.
The section of the Surah is telling us to avoid conjecture and guesswork.
Thus the message given is that if you do not know, don't cook up figures and do not gossip.
The message has nothing to do with confirmation of 300 or 309 days, which is a conjecture by the people. Conjecture was a main problem in Christianity, was rampant and still is.
By the way, Qur'aan does not place it on 1st or 2nd Century.
The same happened in the alleged story of Jesus. How long did he really remain in the tomb?
Some say full three days and three nights; some say two nights and one day, some say two nights and two days and some say only thirty-six hours.
Thus we have to avoid conjecture and making guesses. Only Allah knows what truly happened.
Regarding your comment on compensation, I have this to add:
If you read Qur'aan and match it with the Christians' OT and the NT, you will realise that Qur'aan has not copied the two books at all.
Now, if you compare your OT with the original Jewish Holy Scriptures (Jewish Bible), you will find that Christians have copied the Jewish Tanakh, wholesale.
Thus you have to pay millions of trillions of dollars compensation to the Jews for first copying their Holy Scriptures wholesale and secondly for forging it. lol!
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